Seven Words To Find Purpose with Ian Chamandy

Purpose is everywhere right now, but most of what we hear is motivational without being usable. Nicole sits down with Ian to get concrete: what purpose actually is, how it works in real life, and how you can turn it into a simple purpose statement you can live by. The punchy idea that anchors the conversation comes from a Picasso quote Ian loves: the meaning of life is to find your gift, and your purpose is to share it with the world. Once you hear that, “purpose” stops being a vibe and starts becoming a practical tool.

We dig into Ian’s method for uncovering the one thing that makes a person or a company uniquely remarkable and capturing it in seven words or less. He explains why that single phrase can guide the two big jobs every business has: how you operate and how you communicate through marketing, branding, and sales. Along the way we use Apple as a familiar example, and we talk about why solopreneurs and creators often need a purpose that can hold both their personal identity and their business goals at the same time.

Then we get into the mechanics: how a clear purpose makes decision making easier, how it builds confidence, and why “the law of attraction” looks a lot like good marketing when you can clearly say what you do best. Ian also shares how his AI-empowered course helps people pull patterns from proud moments, beliefs, wants, and talents to find the common thread they can’t always see on their own.

If you want more clarity, a cleaner message, and a north star you can actually use, listen now, subscribe, and share this with a friend who’s been asking what they’re meant to do and leave us a review with your seven-word purpose attempt.

Transcript

Welcome And Why Purpose Matters

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Hello then and welcome back to the next episode of Overcoming Self the Podcast. As you know, my name is Nicole, and I'm so excited to be here today with Ian. And Ian is gonna be talking to us today about something that keeps coming up, something that keeps I keep hearing. So it's just something that's been in my attention. And so I'm super excited to be talking to Ian today about purpose. And um, and he's got a lot to say between uh, you know, my purpose as an individual, my purpose as a business. So let's just jump into it before I butcher what it is that you do. So, Ian, please take it away and tell us a little bit about who you are and who you now help.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Oh, sure. Thank you very much. Um, well, I I'm I'm someone who uh through the course of my university and then my successive careers, I've been kind of obsessed with one thing, and that's sort of getting to the authentic root, right? Of whatever. And it started, I I was a copywriter for an advertising agency coming out of university. And what what I wrote was awful. It was cliche driven, it was it

Ian’s Origin Story And The Method

SPEAKER_00 1:10

was banal, it was uh, and the one thing is I I recognized it, at least I recognized it, and I was so frustrated because you know the words that I was typing on my typewriter to age me a bit, um, I I couldn't stand them. And um, but and and it was because I wanted to get to the you know, the authentic root of the company or the brand or the product or the service. Anyway, I'm not still a copywriter in advertising because that didn't I never got any better. Um, but that that's really that's really what happened. And then about 20 years ago, I started a strategy company with a partner who sadly died during COVID. But it was just a you know, it's just sort of a general strategy company. It was like, you know, let's talk about your business and then we'll figure out a strategy with you, blah, blah, blah. But that slowly morphed into, you know, we started adding pieces, and those pieces we would tend to use over and over again. And it got to the point where, you know, we were customizing less, and we had a set, and then finally it crystallized. We had a set process, so we didn't do anything customizable anymore. You came to us because you liked our methodology, you liked what it what it put out, and and so you went through our process. Now, the process is really, really simple. And what it does is it recognizes that the thing that a count the greatest value or the thing of greatest value that a company has. And you know, if I ask that question, they'll usually say, our people. And yeah, you can make an argument that your people are are your most valuable asset, but your people come and go. And what is it that makes your people so valuable? What is it about the company that makes the people such a valuable asset? So I believe that a company's single most important asset is knowing the one thing that makes it uniquely remarkable. And there's always one thing, it always rolls up into one thing, no matter how diversified you know the company is. We we blueprinted a bank, and banks are not one company. Banks are like a dozen or dozens of companies all under one roof, but they all have something in common with you know the parent. And um, and so that's the one thing that makes the parent uniquely remarkable. And so I believe that everybody, every company should know the one thing at the at their essence that makes them uniquely remarkable. Because that'll when you know that, and our standard, by the way, is to express that in seven words or less. So you've got a very short phrase that explains, describes what makes you uniquely remarkable. And um, so what when once you know that, it allows you to do two very powerful things. As an organization, it allows you to design and guide how you're going to operate, and then design and guide how you're going to communicate. Those are the two broad functions of every single company in the world. And you know what do you do as a business and how do you communicate that to a world? And both of those things, if they're designed and guided by the one thing that makes you uniquely remarkable, then those things are always consistently a reflection of your full value of the organization, right? So if you look at a company like Apple, if you ever saw Simon Sinek's um uh uh first TED talk,

Seven Words And The Apple Example

SPEAKER_00 5:20

he described Apple's uh the you know, the one thing that makes it uniquely remarkable, which he calls your why, right? Uh he described their why as changing the game. And I heard that and I went, oh my god, that's that's like bang on. That's that's bang on, right? Apple has never invented anything in its life, but it's taken something that existed and made it way, way better, like game-changing better. So that's Apple's purpose, right? And whatever it does, change the game. If we do that, we're gonna be a successful, profitable company. And so when you look at Apple's products, they're all game-changing products. When you look at Apple's communication, it's always you know, game-changing advertising and whatever. So um, so really simple process. Identify what makes you uniquely remarkable as an organization in seven words or less, and then use it to design and guide how you operate and communicate. And then COVID hit, and I said, I said to my partner, we're not getting any business for a few years

Pandemic Reset And Picasso’s Definition

SPEAKER_00 6:35

here. And and again, sadly, he died shortly after that. Um, but I got my coaching certification and I started, you know, doing some executive coaching. Sorry, this is turning into a really long monologue.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

No, no, no, that's great though. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Go for it.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

So I started coaching. And when I would talk to prospects, they all said the same thing. This pandemic has got me thinking about my life. I don't like my career, I don't like where my life is going. I want to live a life of meaning and purpose. And I said, that's awesome. What's your purpose? And they'd say, I don't know. And I'd say, and then I realized that I had I have this thing over here that I've been doing with businesses for about 15 years, and I could just adapt that to individuals so that an individual can identify what makes them uniquely remarkable, and then have that guide their life going forward. So I ended up creating a course out of that um with it with another business partner, and so that course is offered online. So you you, as an individual, can figure out what it is that makes you uniquely remarkable. Sorry, Nicole, I just have to say one more thing to tie a couple of things together.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Yeah, no, no, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

I keep talking about what makes you uniquely remarkable, you know, that that gift that every business and every person has. Um, but how does that relate to purpose? And you know, my my big frustration with the whole world of purpose is that everyone talks about how important it is to be purpose-driven. And here are all the benefits of being purpose-driven, which are true, but there's two things that they never ever ever tell you what it actually is, what's purpose, and then how it actually works to make your life better. What what's the mechanic? How does how does it cause things to shift for you? And so uh during COVID, I ran into this uh Pablo Picasso quote, you know, the artist, and he said, Um, the meaning of life is to find your gift and your purpose is to share it with the world. And I went, whoa. Well, all it's saying is figure out who the best possible you is, and then share that with the world. That's really what your what your purpose is. The question is, how do you figure out who the best possible you is? But I realized, you know, this best possible you, this gift thing, that's exactly the same thing as the one thing that makes you uniquely remarkable. So for 15 years, I had been helping companies find their purpose without realizing that's what I was doing. But once I did, I started calling it that. So my three-part methodology to find what makes you uniquely remarkable in seven words or less, use it to design and guide everything you do, everything you say. That's a that is a structured, proven methodology for helping you find your purpose and then share it with the world. Apple, what's your purpose? Change the game. Okay, Apple, you know what it is, go out and share that with the world, and that's what they do, and that's why they're such a successful company.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Yes, yes, yes. Um interesting, interesting. And I actually I I read an article about wondering,

Solopreneurs And The Stone Shadow Metaphor

SPEAKER_02 10:20

somebody was wondering if Apple had lost it because they did another launch and it didn't have the same juzge as it used to, and they were like, Oh, are they have they stopped changing the game? So just even to your to your point, is it's noticeable. It was noticeable when they did something and it wasn't quite as revolutionary as the other products, and it's a little bit more expensive, and everybody's like, uh, um, and so they're like, whoa, has something changed? And so even to that point, you know, um, yes. But what I want to ask you is I have a lot of of clients, I have a lot of listeners, a lot of you know, people out there who are like, you know, like me, maybe a one-woman show, a one-man show. And so as an individual, but also, you know, working with the public, you know, like we're doing our thing, we're we're you know, we're working with our clients, we're selling courses. Where does that purpose, you know, where do where do I fit in, right? Because I can imagine like Apple, because you know, you've got departments, a bank, you've got like you got like managers, and then you got people working for them, and you got different sections. But what about when it's just an individual? Like, what advice do you have for that person, which is not just an individual? I'm just saying, like, you're so powerful, you've you're wearing like 27 hats already as an individual doing all these things. So, what's what's your advice for that person who's right in between the individual and the business, but not quite fitting either?

SPEAKER_00 11:46

So, as you go through, if I was to sort of lead you through that process, right, rather than taking the course or um what I would do is I would have us focus on both things. Because what's likely, I heard a great metaphor when I was in university. It was a guy, he wrote this great book, and the book was called Girdle, Escher, and Bach. Girdle was a mathematician who came up with uh um an equation that was not only groundbreaking in math, but was groundbreaking in all of life. Um, Escher is that artist who does, you know, those optical illusion sketches, and Bach is the guy who, you know, in his day he had a few pop tunes. He described those as three shadows cast from the same stone, they have the same source. Three completely different things, but they have the same source, and I loved that metaphor. And the way that metaphor works with your purpose is your purpose is the stone, and everything that you do and say, either as an individual or as a or as an organization, is a shadow cast from that stone, and the more um, you know, sometimes when shadows are cast, they're diffused, right? They've got diffused edges, and other times they've got very sharp edges, and uh and and they're very clearly defined, the shadows are very clearly defined, and the difference there is how well you can articulate your purpose. So the more notional your sense of your purpose is, the more you know, wishy-washy the shadows are gonna be. But the sharper you've defined your purpose, the sharper those shadows will be, the more those shadows will be aligned with the purpose that they're being cast from. So I would focus on both your business and your purpose, uh personal. Um my so my personal purpose statement is transforming confusion into clarity. So I have a I have a, you know, my gift, my not to be a modest, but is when people have very complex issues that they just can't, you know, they can't figure out. I don't solve those for them. It's not like the big brain comes in and oh, I've got the answer. But I have a way to find the answer. And so I lead them through that process, and it's collaborative, and together we break that tough issue down into more difficult pieces, and at some point the answer pops out. So that's that's what my gift is is the ability to take complex issues and through this process figure them out. And um uh and where was I going with that? Oh, oh, oh. So that's that is the purpose of me personally, but also of Blueprint. And so Blueprint is the company is the business that works with companies. Purpose you, its purpose statement is revealing what makes you uniquely remarkable. So it's like, you know, they're all in the same neighborhood because they're both my businesses, even though there's other people involved, and they are both shadows cast from the stone of my purpose.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

That is really cool.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

Yeah, so your so your personal purpose and your business purpose would probably be the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Okay. And um if someone's listening and they're like, this is super interesting, I wonder what's my purpose? Like, what what can I start thinking about, or what questions do you have to kind of get my gears rolling? Um, you know, so when I call you to talk about this more, we've got a little bit more info to offer you, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yeah, yeah. So I often get asked, usually by companies, um, what do we need to do to repair, uh prepare?

How Purpose Improves Decisions Fast

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Um and I say, consider this question. That's all you need to do to prepare. If everything you do and say is a means to an end, what is the end purpose? Okay, if everything, all the activities of the organization and all the expressions of the organization, like branding, marketing, and sales, if all those are a means to a single end, what is that end purpose? And what that does is it makes companies think one level above where they normally think. Because they're trying to optimize everything that they do and say. And if you ask them what's the purpose of your company, they're gonna say to do these things the best we can. And it's like, no, that's not your purpose. Your purpose is something very specific because every company's purpose, every company would have exactly the same purpose. If purpose was to do all these things the best we can, right? Yes, Apple's per Apple has to do all these things the best that it can, independently of its purpose. But how is it going to do all these things the best it can by transforming confusion? Sorry, by changing the game.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

And then the way it works, okay. So this is this is the second question, by the way. You you've led into that. The second question that people don't answer, which is how does it work? Okay, I've got my purpose statement. Transforming confusion into clarity, changing the game, whatever. My partners was causing wow. And everybody who knew him would say, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was Ken. Yep, yep, yep. That's how he lived his life, personally and a business. And that was his contribution to blueprint, was causing wow. Right? He put the causing wow into the blueprint process. So, excuse me, the way it works is um is um I'm at the age that a lot of people are retiring, right? And so the question becomes, what do you do in your retirement? You have questions, right? And they're big questions, they're difficult questions, and how we answer them usually is we just muddle through the answer the best that we can. But when you use your purpose to answer these questions, it becomes much easier. Because, you know, if I were if I were retiring tomorrow, right, I'd I'd say, okay, well, what am I gonna do? The qu you know, I'm basically saying, what are my options? And there's no parameters built into that question, so it can be anything, and that's not helpful. But if I say of all the options available to me, which ones are most aligned with transforming confusion into clarity? Right? Well, I'll tell you, going into the lawn maintenance business, although I would be creating clarity of confusion with your, you know, your grass, that's not a business, you know, or a sideline that um you know that that feeds into my purpose. Now, if I decided to do something like let's say I just decided I wanted something, I just wanted to work in a retail store. I wanted to be, you know, a salesperson or a customer service person, the more support the customer would need in order to understand the product and make that purchase decision, the more that job or that store, that product would align with my purpose. Right? So if I worked in a dollar store, you know, I'd be making some extra money in my retirement, but that would not be aligned with my purpose. But something that was a complicated sale where people came in and they didn't know what they were doing, they didn't know what they should do.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Immediately, I think tech store. Like they're coming in for a computer, printer, you know, something, and they they're giving you a puzzle. Okay, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, versus the dollar store comparison where everything's kind of like, well, it's a dollar, like you get what you get.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

And then, and then when you can help them in such a way that they truly get it, and they don't need you anymore, because you have, you know, brought them up to your level of understanding, they are like, Oh my god, thank you, thank you, thank you. And I'm uh you know, I feel like a hero.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Yeah, and versus you know, working with someone whose purpose is just to be there to make money, and then you try to ask them questions, and then they don't they don't care, so they can't answer you. They don't, it's like, uh, and so yeah, it makes a lot of sense where you know, if even if it's not necessarily in your area of expertise, you know, if it's something that you actually enjoy where you where you have a purpose there, um yeah, yeah, yeah. Better for you and for the people you interact with, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Yeah, I I I will I have worked on political campaigns in the past, and if you want me to draw Go to door to door to hand out flyers. No, that's that's sorry, that's not my thing. But if you want me to help you in campaign strategy, if you want me to help you manage, you know, difficult situations that come up, come up with a you know, figure out collectively a strategy for how to handle it, those things are all right up my alley. Right? But here's the thing it's not just for me to uh decide how to live my life, it's also for other people to figure out how to best take advantage of my gift. So imagine you worked in a company, lots of people, and just down the hall from you, there were a couple of offices, and on one door it said Ian, transforming confusion into clarity. And on the next door it said Ken, causing wow. Okay, you and your team, you have a problem and you keep shelving it because you have meetings, you can't resolve it, so you shelve it. You

Being Findable And The Marketing Angle

SPEAKER_00 23:05

bring it up the next meeting, you shelve it, shelve it, shelve it. So whose door do you knock on? Transforming confusion into clarity or causing wow? Well, obviously, you knock on the transforming confusion into clarity door. Once confusion is transformed into clarity, and you're sitting there going, oh my god, we figured this out. Now, how do we, as you said before, how do we zhuzh this up so that it becomes compelling, so that it's inspiring, so that it captures people's imaginations. Well, you don't knock on the transforming confusion.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Now we're going to the wow door.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Right? So when people know what you stand for, when people know your purpose, your gift, what makes you uniquely remarkable, they'll seek you out for that. And this to me, right? So there's this whole notion of just put it out into the universe and it will come back to you. And some people really buy into that. What's that called?

SPEAKER_02 24:13

The law of there's this call manifestation or attraction.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

The law of attraction. The law of attraction, right? And so some people really believe in it, and the people who don't believe in it think the people who do are woo-woo. Yes. Here's what I think the law of attraction is it's marketing. Yeah. Put it out there who you are. Tell people what your purpose is, tell them what makes you uniquely remarkable. And they will come when they need you because they know, right? Like Nicole, a year from now, right? We haven't seen each other for a year, we haven't talked to each other for a year. Someone comes to you and says, We've got this hard problem, we keep shelving, shelving, shelving, shelving. Without knowing anything more, excuse me, about what I do. You you would say, Oh, wait, there's this guy Ian. You should talk to me. I have a friend. Yeah, this guy Ian. I, you know, I'm never actually, you know, he hasn't helped me personally, so I can't, you know, I can't vouch for him, but I know this is what he does, and it might be worth a conversation with him to see if he can help you transform your confusion into clarity. Yeah. I didn't give you a detailed explanation of that. I didn't sit down for an hour and pitch my business or my skills to you so you know them inside out, and therefore you can evangelize on my behalf. I told you my purpose statement, it was self-evident and compelling in the right scenario. Right? In the right scenario, if you got a problem you can't solve, transforming confusion into clarity is compelling. Otherwise, it's not. Right? So, so, you know, uh just by telling you my my purpose statement, you become an evangelist for my business.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

Yeah. And I do, I do, um, you know, my I I love my podcast guests. Like, I actually like enjoy hanging out with you guys and talking to you guys, and you know, like I add you guys on social media, you guys are getting behind the scenes if you're listening. Um, but that's that's one of the really cool things, right? Is that we get to share. I get to meet you, and then when someone else is has an issue or something, oh, I know I know somebody who can help me with that. I actually interviewed so and so who does that, or oh, you know, I met somebody, um, have them on your podcast because based on what you do, like just last week, I one of my clients I interviewed someone immediately. I was like, you gotta interview this dude, you gotta go on his podcast because he talks exactly about this, and he's gonna absolutely love you. And so it was so easy because this dude was like, This is what I do, and I was like, I know somebody who does that too, and they do it like in a different angle, and so you guys are very complimentary, and so it makes a lot of sense, right? That you're just putting it out there, you're talking to people, and and magic happens because you never know, you know, when your name is being dropped in a room. Like, you don't know what you know, I don't know what rooms you're gonna go into. You might go into a room full of CEOs and be like, I just met this girl, and she was so energetic and so happy, and she told me that her purpose was fun, gratitude, and joy, and that's that's what she brings to every scenario. And you know, you guys are saying that your company's all like everybody's out. Let's bring her in and have her do like a pep rally, you know. I don't know, you never know what could happen, something like that. Um, yeah, that's a beautiful thing, yes. Um, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

So something that um that happens. I I was talking to a guy who did the course

Clarity Builds Confidence And Momentum

SPEAKER_00 28:10

last summer. Just reached out to him and I said, Hey, tell me about your experience. And he said, Um, when I when I learned my purpose statement, my whole past just kind of fell into place. I had a context for it and I understood it. And what he's saying is, I got clarity. I got clarity about what led me here, and then where I need to take that going forward.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

Yeah, like how can I use all of this that's happened to me? I've been there, so I know.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Yeah, and the and the emotional benefit of that, whether you're a CEO or you're on the senior leadership team, or you're or you're an individual, is that all of a sudden you have clarity about who you are and how you have to conduct yourself into the future. You know, it's like the veil lifts and the fog clears. And with clarity comes certainty, with certainty comes confidence. And so when you discover your purpose, you're discovering the one thing that makes you uniquely remarkable. You now can articulate your superpower, and that elevates your confidence forever, because nobody can ever take that superpower away from you. And even when the world is beating you down, A, you still have know that you have a superpower, that you have value, but B, you can also use that superpower to dig you out of the hole that you're in by helping you make better decisions, ones that are more aligned with your purpose.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

Yeah, and yeah, and learning learning to make decisions is a whole thing on its own, right? Um, and and just being able to, you know, like I said, like as someone who's been there, understand, you know, the the ramifications, right? Like if I decide this now, what does that mean in a week, in a month, in a year? Like, is this is this aligning with where I want my life to go? You know, and so it makes deciding easier because you look and you're like, nope, doesn't match. Let's let's keep going. Um, yeah. Oh, I love this so much. This is fantastic. Now, how can we stay in touch with you? Like, how can you know, we see everything that you're doing? Like, you you mentioned that you have some cool stuff available.

Purposeu.ai And The AI Course Flow

SPEAKER_02 30:40

So, talk to us about that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Yeah, so um, maybe if you could put the two URLs in the in the show notes. Done in the show notes. So if you want to learn more about um defining what makes you uniquely remarkable as a purp as a person, right, then you want to go to purpose you. Excuse me, that that's like purpose university. So it's purpose with a you dot AI. And the reason that it's dot AI is because it's an AI uh empowered course. And what that means is so here's how you take the course. There's about almost 30 videos. They're they're short, they're like two minutes at the shortest, five minutes at the longest, something like that. But they're you watch a video and then you go do an exercise. Then you watch the next video, you go do an exercise. So when you're watching the video, you have me sitting on one side of you, holding your hand, giving you detailed instructions about how to do the exercise. And on the other side, you have Wordsmith, our AI assistant, holding your hand and doing two things. One is helping you express things better. So, you know, you got when you're doing exercises, you gotta write stuff down. And if you're not happy with the way it's coming out in in words, you can say to Wordsmith, hey, how can I express this more clearly or you know, whatever? But the other thing is there's a point about halfway through the process where we've broken down two uh um two events in your life that you were very proud of. One business, one personal, hopefully. Okay, and we break those down, and what we're left with at the end of that process is uh three buckets of data. Okay your beliefs, your wants, and your talents. Okay and it's your unique combination of beliefs, wants, and talents that make you who you are. And that's why we're all different, right? Because there's a million different combinations and permutations of beliefs, wants, and talents. And then what we do is we get Wordsmith to help us see what we can't see. Like what's the common thread here? What you know, what ties all of this together, and Wordsmith helps us figure that out. And that's how we start to come to your seven words or less as uh as an individual. Um I can't remember exactly why I was saying that. Maybe oh, it's just just oh well, I had asked how we can stay in touch.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

So, yeah, you were telling us about um the courses.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

So that yeah, that's purpose you. And then if you if you're interested from your business's standpoint, if you want you know that feeling of the fog lifting and the the veil lifts and the fog clears, um, if you go to sevenwords.biz, so it's the number seven words.biz. And um, what I would encourage you to do there, it's not a neither of these websites are very big, but what I have is a very robust blog, and I've got a whole bunch of videos on there that talk about purpose and culture, purpose and sales, purpose and marketing, purpose and MA, purpose and you know, like say how purpose makes this, that, and the other thing better, faster, easier. So you might might want to check out my blog.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Awesome. Hey, those are awesome resources. Thank you so much. Um, and we like to end with a final tip. So, based on everything we talked about today, um, you know, what's what's a tip you have so so people can start implementing right now.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Okay, so I'm

Final Tip And Closing Thoughts

SPEAKER_00 34:40

going to say this independently of the fact that these are, you know, I'm in the business of this. So it's it's obviously self-serving, but even if I was not in the business of this, right, I would say this is that there are approximately eight billion people in the world, and I think that over half of them think that there is nothing remarkable about them. And because of that, they don't feel they can do anything special, they don't think that they deserve anything special because there's nothing special about them. And for the very reason that I just gave you that we all have a unique combination of beliefs, wants, and talents, everybody has something that makes them uniquely remarkable. And so to those people who don't think they're special, figure out what it is that makes you uniquely remarkable, prove yourself wrong and see how your life changes. Because then you'll start doing special things. You'll recognize what your special talent is and how to apply it. And then special things will start to come to you because people know what makes you special. And by doing those special things, people learn more about what you're special, you know, what makes you uniquely remarkable. So whether you do it with my assistance on your own or somebody else's assistance, like you're here for X number of years. Figure out what makes you special and then live live your life that way.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

I love that. And I just want to add that to someone who can't fry an egg, frying an egg is a miracle.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

Right.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

So when we're talking about finding what you're special at, we're not talking about like Superman can fly. What can you do? That's not what we're talking about. Like, what are the things that you might even take for granted that you don't even give yourself credit for? Like you keep your house super clean, like you cook, you bake, like there's there might be something super, like you just know all 80s trivia. I don't know. There might be something that's so like that you consider mundane, but that might just be the thing that makes you special. So don't underestimate what that special is. Because again, I have an aunt that's like, I can't even boil water. And I have burned boiled water before, okay? So I know it's possible. I was bringing a recipe and I let it boil too long and it literally burned the pan. I was like, I didn't know you could do that. Um, but you know, I just I just wanted to mention that. So when we talk about special, it doesn't have to mean like, you know, that you're in circle sole, okay? That's not the kind of special. It's just what is that, what's that thing that you're very, very good at that makes you ordinarily human? Because that's what we all are, you know? Um, and so that's something beautiful. So I love that. And I just like to remind myself, because you know, sometimes being special is just, you know, frying an egg is is magical. Because I remember when I started cooking for myself, I was like, how the heck do you do this? Why am I getting stuck? And so I learned, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But um, yeah, that's all I wanted to add because this has been such a great episode. Thank you so much for joining us today, Ian.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

Nicole, it was my pleasure. Thank you for you know letting me talk to your audience.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

Absolutely, and um, and we'll see each other online, and we'll catch you guys next time on the next episode of Overcome Yourself the Podcast.